Comments on: See what’s going down in BC’s Ancient Forests https://vancouverisland.com/see-whats-going-down-in-bcs-ancient-forests/ Adventure Travel on scenic Vancouver Island, British Columbia, Canada. Discounts, Special Rates, Last-minute Deals, Getaways & Vancouver Island Vacation Packages Thu, 05 Dec 2019 17:22:26 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.8.1 By: Kris https://vancouverisland.com/see-whats-going-down-in-bcs-ancient-forests/#comment-113868 Thu, 05 Dec 2019 17:22:26 +0000 http://vancouverisland.com/?p=23148#comment-113868 In reply to Joseph Watson.

I am sorry, but that has been proven incorrect. While younger trees grow faster, they are incapable of putting on the same amount of secondary growth of an old growth tree. Imagine an annual growth ring of a tree, say 20 years old, in a spaced silviculture plot. The surface area that tree puts on in secondary growth, even under the best growing conditions, would barely equal the surface area of second growth added to the branch of an old growth tree, never mind the amount of wood mass that it put on annually by the trunk of an old growth. Photosynthetic rates may be higher in young trees with access to full sunlight and nutrients, but the photosynthetic rate per LAI (leaf area index) of an old growth tree is incomparably higher.

That’s not the only important role of old growth trees. Below ground these giant trees form ancient networks with the help of mycorrhizal fungi, which allow trees to share resources, such as carbon, micro/macro nutrients such as nitrogen or phosphorus, expand root systems to access water, and to communicate with each other, such as sending early chemical warning signs to neighboring trees that a pathogen has entered the forest, which allows those neighbours to produce defensive enzymes and hormones before those pathogens physically reach them. The fungal network actually grows and ages with the trees, and is biologically different and significantly more resistant than a young fungal network in a second growth forest. Old growth forests also sustain a biodiversity of species that can only exist in old growth forests. They do not regenerate in second growth forests, and could take thousands of years to return, if ever. Biodiversity is what protects a forest from pathogens and environmental disturbances.

As someone who has done research on old growth cedar trees on Vancouver Island, I can tell you that the logging cuts are not selective. They are clear cuts using an archaic cut-block method that is supposed to mimic natural disturbances, but instead leaves the landscape a scarred and at-risk-mosaic of young monoculture stands. Selective logging is too expensive, so when you see giants left unlogged, it is only because they could not get the machine equipment in to those particular spots and they will return in a year or two to heli-log it.

The push to log old growths on Vancouver Island is a response to a crumbling logging industry which is due to poor government management over the past 15 years. We were in a boom due to the pine-beetle outbreak as stumpage fees were reduced and infected or dead stands were being logged left right and center. It wasn’t sustainable. Stumpage fees should have returned to a standard rate and the rates of logging over the course of the last decade should have been slowed to one that could be sustained by current silviculture plots. But because of poor government planning mills are shutting down across the province at an unprecedented rate, and logging families are taking the brunt of it all. It’s both an economic and an environmental disaster.

#endrant

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By: Rod Burns, Quadra Island, Canada https://vancouverisland.com/see-whats-going-down-in-bcs-ancient-forests/#comment-108036 Thu, 04 Jul 2019 04:03:13 +0000 http://vancouverisland.com/?p=23148#comment-108036 BC Timber Sales: April 2019 has introduced their new Sustainable Forestry Policy. Page 12 “Innovation box” presents “Legacy Tree” as the new standard for saving Old Growth Trees – of which BCTimber Sales only recognizes 4 species: D Fir, Sitka Spruce, Yellow and Red Cedars. They have made their criteria as being 50% of the diameter Breast Height of the known largest tree. Doug Fir 2.1 m, Sitka Spruce 2.2. m, Yellow Cedar 2.1 m, and Red Cedar at 3.0 m.

Any identified tree however is subject to being cut if a) it is deemed a Safety Hazard to WorkSafe B.C. and or would unnecessarily add to the road building cost to harvest the remaining trees in the cut block.

San Forestry, Port Alberni has just upgraded by 70million $$, their Ancient Tree processing line – They will want a multi-decade supply of Ancients to pay off their mill costs

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By: Joshua https://vancouverisland.com/see-whats-going-down-in-bcs-ancient-forests/#comment-76759 Thu, 18 Oct 2018 23:20:38 +0000 http://vancouverisland.com/?p=23148#comment-76759 In reply to island_girl.

This practice is still happening, with many cut logs to prove this. Look on Google Earth around Port Renfrew, Walbran, and Nitnat, for example, if you’re around Victoria. It’s happening all over there. Then drive up Gordon Main and turn left anywhere near Renfrew and see for yourself. This article is not actually misleading, though I agree that more recent pictures would be helpful.

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By: Clive Delmonte https://vancouverisland.com/see-whats-going-down-in-bcs-ancient-forests/#comment-70203 Fri, 07 Sep 2018 20:57:30 +0000 http://vancouverisland.com/?p=23148#comment-70203 Do you really think it’s appropriate or helpful to use this disaster for political gain? Logging these old-growth trees is happening right now – under an NDP government – it happened under the previous Liberals, and under the NDP before that, and so on into the 1800s. Bringing attention to the practice is meant to stop it, not score political points. Geeesh!

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By: island_girl https://vancouverisland.com/see-whats-going-down-in-bcs-ancient-forests/#comment-70039 Thu, 06 Sep 2018 23:44:32 +0000 http://vancouverisland.com/?p=23148#comment-70039 You had me until I noticed the dates on these images range from 2006-2010. It comes across that this is a current problem and a fault of the NDP, who were not in power during that time. Very misleading.

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By: Louis Ryan (biologist) https://vancouverisland.com/see-whats-going-down-in-bcs-ancient-forests/#comment-67263 Wed, 22 Aug 2018 02:38:36 +0000 http://vancouverisland.com/?p=23148#comment-67263 Josephs comment has actually been disproved. The larger trees absorb more CO2 and produce oxygen. The new studies are available on a google search. We need to preserve old growth for many reasons besides their ability to off set our pollution. They hold the key to the diversity we need to continue to survive on this planet. They also share some of our DNA.

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By: david erpenbeck https://vancouverisland.com/see-whats-going-down-in-bcs-ancient-forests/#comment-66127 Fri, 10 Aug 2018 19:01:57 +0000 http://vancouverisland.com/?p=23148#comment-66127 What a travesty. Some politico must be getting their pockets lined.

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By: Jordan https://vancouverisland.com/see-whats-going-down-in-bcs-ancient-forests/#comment-61368 Sun, 08 Jul 2018 06:55:25 +0000 http://vancouverisland.com/?p=23148#comment-61368 Well said Joseph. It seams like a lot of people ignore those facts and virtue signal. Watch the Lion King guys, there’s a circle of life…

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By: Dave Justice https://vancouverisland.com/see-whats-going-down-in-bcs-ancient-forests/#comment-61367 Sun, 08 Jul 2018 06:49:20 +0000 http://vancouverisland.com/?p=23148#comment-61367 I can understand why no one commented after Joseph.
Well said.

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By: Joseph Watson https://vancouverisland.com/see-whats-going-down-in-bcs-ancient-forests/#comment-57379 Mon, 04 Jun 2018 18:12:12 +0000 http://vancouverisland.com/?p=23148#comment-57379 Maybe if a botanist was legitimizing the statements and photographs it would add to the rear problem, if any. NEW growth; younger trees add more oxygen than old growth. Yes, the ancient trees are wonderful to observe, but just suppose that several, not all, were selected to help the growth of others in order to ensure that in the future there will be ancient giants standing for future generations to enjoy.

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